What I see repeatedly in such calls is a wish that the world simply did not have men in it, and that the proposer is some sort of hothouse flower. A functional marriage is a dialogue, not a harangue, and the third-wave feminists have yet to figure this out.
- Will fight this tooth and nail. This is ridiculous, and is in strictly prohibited by the WMF non-discrimination policy. 126.96.36.199 09:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- As a female editor, this is wholeheartedly and painful discrimination. I don't need a special place where only I can speak, nor where my male editors which I encounter every day can't contribute. Plus, the proposal is just plain vague. A place where male editors can't contribute where 'advice, criticism, and explanations' from men are not allowed. Seriously, this whole proposal is based on the false premise that male editors are intimidating, that Wikipedia is deserving of being segregated by sex and that women need their own space where they can't be criticized by the other sex. This is out of the window in terms of civility, wikilove, and everything like it. Oppose. Tutelary (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose: per Tutelary, but also because it would lock out women (cis, trans, whatever) who for some reason do not wish to identify as such online. BethNaught (talk) 20:50, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- Nowhere is it explained how a discussion being "dominated by male voices" constitutes an actual problem. If anything, this notion strikes me as patronizing, especially in an environment where participants do not see each other face-to-face and thus there is normally no reason for their gender to come up. It's antithetical to the notion that women are equal to men. Would anyone similarly object to a discussion being dominated by the voices of the right-handed? Or the brown-eyed? 188.8.131.52 23:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Sunday, January 18, 2015
Feminists Demand Wikipedia Echo Chamber
Thanks to Charlotte Allen on Twitter for this piece at Alpha Game highlighting how some women are proposing a sex-segregated workspace for women, because "Wikipedia needs a place where women can feel safer and not always overwhelmed by male advice, criticism, and explanations." I'm not sure what "safe" means in this context, but I get the sense author Lightbreather intends it as a antonym for "critical". The Talk page in opposition to this harebrained idea is well worth reading; a few examples: